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facade with the treasures inside. i want to get straight to max foster in paris. a and, max, some of the biggest names have pledged millions and millions to rebuild notre dame. tell us about that. >> reporter: hundreds of million dollars. extraordinary numbers coming in and it hasn't been 24 hours since the fire started. incredible. so if you look at some of the names out there, these are the billionaire families made rich by luxury brands, but also banks and airlines and even supermarkets. we reckon with our sort of rough guestimate here that more than $700 million is being pledged so far to restore this amazing -- >> max, i'm going to interrupt you. i apologize. i want to listen into the french president. >> translator: -- the cathedral with all of its history for thousands of years. the firefighters managed to
extinguish the fire in spite of the ricks they were there with us, with their bosses exploring the roof which had been devastated completely. but what we have noticed tonight in paris, that's what happened, this ability to mobilize, be together and win. throughout our history we have built towns, ports, churches, many have been burned due to revolutions, wars, due to mankind and each time we have rebuilt them. the fire of notre dame recalls that history is there and that
we will always have trials to overcome and whatever we believe, whether indestructible, but what france does materially, spiritually is alive in spite of what is fragile. and we can not forget this. and it is up to us, the french men and women who can be reassured throughout time this continuity which makes this nation of france and this evening directly to you i'm addressing you for this reason and what our duty is, which is what we need to remember. and i am committed in the
forthcoming days to react together, but today is not the time, tomorrow there is other issues, politics, we all have things to do. but the time hasn't come yet. remember these few hours, what happened last night, throughout the night, this morning, everybody made an effort to do something. the firefighter did their best to save the building. the parisians have been comforted and people were very touched, the whole world and photographs were shown to the whole world and at each one of us, everybody, has done what
they could in their role, in their position, and i say this this evening, we are those people of rebuilders, we are rebuilders. there is a great deal to be rebuilt and we will make the cathedral of notre dame even more beautiful. we can do this and we will mobilize everybody after these periods of trial, there will be time for reflection and then action. and we will not let things go. we will go forward in spite of pressure and sometimes false impatience and people say, oh, well, it had to be done by that
date. but we have to administer things, be aware of our history of time, of our people. those men and women, i deeply believe that we are going to change this disaster and work together and reflect deeply on what has happened while we are -- and what we can do and become better and find again the way towards our national project. a human project. which is passionately french, french men and women and all of you also foreigners who love france and paris, which i'm telling you tonight, that i share your sorrow and i also
share your hope. now we have something to do. we will act and react and we will succeed. long live the republic and long live france. >> we just listened to the french president addressing his nation and indeed the world. obviously a call to unity, talking about the fact that there is a lot of work to do. but that he shares the sorrow of the french people and also their hope, also saying that he and the people who have pledged the hundreds of millions as max foster was talking about, will make notre dame even more beautiful. and max foster, i want to bring you back in. i'm sorry i had to interrupt you there as the french president started to speak. i also was struck by him talking not just about the history of notre dame, but of course the history of france which has been
through war after war, buildings and entire parts of cities including paris burned to the ground and the reminder of that -- that the city rebuilt then and will do so now with this icon. >> reporter: yeah and with this building, it existed, didn't it, throughout all of those moments in french history. even part of revolutions. napoleon was crowned there. so many different parts of french society could attach a part of the story to this building which is what makes it so unique. but clearly a reference there to more recent political issues. he said the political issues will have to wait while we address this national issue, this national moment. and what he's referring to there, of course, is the yellow vest demonstrations which have wrecked large parts of this center of the city. and actually we saw, didn't we, recently the art treeop was attacked and he's saying, we're
going into the weekend. this is the easter weekend. this is a famous church. let's not have those demonstrations. let's not have the fights on the streets and come together and use this unique building as say point to unify on and certainly doing that here today, dana. >> absolutely, max. and i'm glad you brought up the demonstrations because that is a big part of maybe -- maybe the part of his call to unity there as he tried to bring the nation together. max, thank you so much. we'll be getting back to you for sure. today some of the priceless artifacts from the cathedral are on the way to the louvre after they were stored overnight at the hotel deville across from the notre dame. but france's culture minister tells cnn that most precious items, most of them, at least, including the holy crown, which is believed to be from the crown of thorns placed on the head of jesus, are now being held under security at paris city hall. cnn's tom foreman is here with an in-depth look at some of the
treasures. tom. >> reporter: this is really remarkable when you think about. people watched this and said the treasure itself, the main thing, notre dame, how did it burn so intensely and how did this fire become such a conflagration like this. we have pictures that tell you why. because underneath that lead covered roof and above the stone vaults, this is what you have. 13,000 trees dating back hundreds of years were used to create this latis of wood. this is the thing that burned so incredibly intensely here and this is the thing that threatened relics like this. which we still don't know the fate of right now. this is supposed to be part of the original true cross, a nail from the crucifixion. this is what believers believe about this. we're not sure what is the fate of this particular item or not sure what happened to the sculptures, how much disarray there may have been there, paintings that were down below there. not entirely certain about that. and we know the spire which was only added a couple of hundred years ago that it and that roof,
we just showed you, that burned. we know that is gone. but other items, yeah, good news about this. the crown of thorns, which believers believe was worn by jesus christ at his crucifixion, incredibly important this time of the easter season, that has been rescued and taken away. and we know the organ -- one of the most famous instruments in the world, dating back to medieval times, more than 8,000 pipes here, this has survived. there may be water damage, but it is in tact at this moment. we know that you think about what max said a minute ago about the big events there. the main bell which heralded the end of world war ii, that is still in tact. and of course we know that up at the front, the rose windows or three of them, these attracted about 13 million visitors a year and they are largely in tact. maybe damaged, but they are in tact and the gargoyles and the two main towers at the front which is the hallmark of notre
dame as you approach, those appear to be largely undamaged here. so as this giant rebuilding campaign starts, dana, the good news is there is a lot to build upon. >> there sure is. tom, thank you so much for showing all of that and it is incredible that all of those priceless artifacts, those treasures were saved. tom, thank you so much. i want to bring in stewart richard so richardson. he was a paris tour guide who lived in the city for two years. thank you for joining me. you wrote an op-ed in usa today called a paris tour guide who ignored notre dame i forgot cities don't last for ever. you wrote i imagine i passed notre dame over 2,000 times while living in france, only a half dozen occasions did i ernts it and i avoid the bell towers altogether and i didn't want to wait in line. at 25 i figured i'd be back in paris once again and i could climb the tower then.
talk about that and the fact that you couldn't go inside as a tour guide but you did begin your tours and end at notre dame. >> yeah. so when i lived in france i lived by two minutes walk from the cathedral. and when i was there i would pass these hoards of tourists and i thought, well i won't go inside today because i don't want to deal with the tours. and when i became a tour guide toward the end of my time in france i would always be sarn these tourists and they always say should i go inside, yeah, just do 15 minutes inside and you'll be stressful and crowded and you don't have to go to the top of the bell tower because you could always do that the next time you're in the city. and now i think back on those times and i think of the suggestions that i gave to people and i think we often overlook the fact that just because something is old doesn't mean that it is permanent. and today i'm having that discussion with myself and pondering that question of all of the things that i missed just because i always assumed they
would be eternal and be there when i come back to the city. >> that is so well put because it is old doesn't mean it is permanent or eternal. when you were able to go and you did go in and you took some photos that we have here. what struck you the most and what was the most important thing of so many important treasures and bits of history from notre dame. >> well, it seems like today we're counting our blessings and the one thing i always loved was the spire that we unfortunately saw crash to the ground yesterday. unfortunately that spire was adorned by 12 copper statues of the apostles and those were removed just by coincidence at the last month for restoration so those apostles i love pointing out toward the endmostly because one of the apostles was created to look like the architect of the spire. so he thought it would be funny to put himself up there and we
still have the copper statues. they are somewhere in the south of france being restored so i'm thankful those are there today. >> that is a happy accident. sand one last question, one expert said that it could take ten to 15 years at least to restore notre dame. so to people who are visiting in the interim, between now and then, what would be your recommendation as a former tour guide in paris? >> so you could still of course see the exterior of notre dame. the one thing i loved doing when i was there was going down along the kay along the senne in the shadow of notre dame and you could still do that and see the rose windows and i highly recommend doing that. >> well people certainly will no longer and should no longer take this iconic 800-plus-year-old cathedral for granted any more. thank you for joining me and writing that op-ed. and more on this history fire coming up, including how
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monuments to faith in france. country's president emmanuel macron addressed the nation moments ago promising to make notre dame even more beautiful. the total damage to the iconic cathedral is still being assessed and while we don't know exactly what caused that devastating inferno, we do know it could take years, even more than a decade to restore notre dame to its former glory. i want to bring in cnn melissa bell outside of notre dame. you were on the air exactly this time yesterday talking about the scene, the horrific scene. and also noticing it looked like the fact that there was a -- a lack of firefighters on the scene. but now a day later we've learned a lot more about their response. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that is right. we've learned a lot more about the reseiss sequence of events. by this time 24 hours ago, 8:00 p.m. local, night is falling as it is tonight and the flames were finally beginning not quite
to be brought under control because the fire did rage on for many hours afterward and we could watch and see it over -- over the edge of theetive as that is still standing behind me but the plumes of smoke had turn from the darker shades had been billowing up from the roof of notre dame to something slightly lighter suggesting the firefighters were getting it under control. what we understand now happened was that at 6:20 local time, a first fire alarm went off. no fire was detected but the cathedral was evacuated. only 23 minutes later a second fire alarm went off that the first signs of fire were detected and the fire brigade came and then the difficulty of getting the firefighters here through the rush hour right here to the heart of historic paris. and last night, as tonight, the crowds all around the cathedral were substantial. although their mood had, of course, changed quite
substantially. at time, last night, the sheer emotion of the people gathered here was quite extraordinary. what we saw today and the many thousands who came through to see for themselves was the sense of relief that so much of the outer shell of the cathedral stood in tact. we've seen remarkable pictures from inside of the cathedral and you could see there too -- although there is timbers, that forest, many of them feld in the 12th century were on the floor and charred remains on the ground and much of the inner structure is relatively in tact and we found out that thanks to the efforts of the firefighters who battled away at the fire, let me remind you, for nine solid hours, those essential art works, those crucial relics, so important to the faithful who had gathered here last night, to sing their hymns and pray together were rescued. we believe they're now being kept at the paris town hall and they'll be sent to the louvre tomorrow and that once this reconstruction effort has been
achieved, and as you say, this is going to take some time and a lot of investment that those relics that matter so much to the world's catholics will be brought back here to their home. dana. >> that is so important to know when you talked about the emotion. we were witnessing it right along with it. with your amazing reporting this time yesterday. melissa, thank you so much. and still to come, one of the most significant developments in the house -- when it comes to the investigations of president trump. lawmakers issuing a subpoena for one of his biggest and most controversial lenders. plus she was a u.s. soldier killed in afghanistan and now her husband is back in the u.s. after being deported by i.c.e. the back story is next. hey allergy muddlers...
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democratic candidates have raised about $75 million just so far in their race to unseat donald trump. that is what we're learning from the latest campaign finance reports of all of the 2020 democrats, if you see there on the screen, bernie sanders raised the most money in the first three months of this year. his haul tops $18 million. kamala harris and beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg and elizabeth warren round out the top five. and julian castro did not raise as much money as lesser known candid ates and yang had small donors, second only to bernie sanders. both had more than 80% of the money coming from individual
contributions of $200 or less. let's talk about this and much, much more with david challin, the cnn political director. and let's talk about the big picture. what surprises you? >> your graphics laid it out perfectly. you see the advantage bernie sanders has. that is huge. now money is not everything in politics, dana, as you know. donald trump was outspent by hillary clinton in the last election but it is a thing that matters and it matters a lot. money bee -- bee gets money and what your organization looks like and it shows durability. that you're here for the long haul. bernie sanders has all of that. >> and i want to drill down on what you make of the fact that when you talk about small donors, pull that back up on the screen, bernie sanders did the best. but look who is right behind him -- >> andrew yang. who was part of the cnn town
hall here on sunday who i venture to say a lot of people say -- who? and look at how well he did. >> and what is so important to understand about this, this is people who contribute less than $200. the key about small donors is that you could go back to them again and again and again. so if you look at this graphic and from kamala harris on down, where you have more than half or 60% plus of your donors are big-dollar donors, if you get somebody to max out at $2,800, you got to find a new donor to replace that donor next quarter. not true if 80% of your money is $200 or less. and you just keep telling them to click and donate. >> and it matters because i want to return to the republicans about would is on the debate stage, or stages. >> this is a rule. so the dnc didn't want to do a poll. so you need 65,000 donors from
20 states to show grassroots fundraising ability and that is another way on to the debate stage. >> so let's talk about the republican side which is one guy, donald trump. so far. one guy. we'll talk about who raised money. he raised more than $30 million from january to march and he has more than $40 million in the campaign war chest. and i interviewed his campaign manager brad parscale about how they are quietly building up while the democrats fight one another. watch this. >> it is much more efficient two years out to find a possible voter or donor. there are so much across the social network and capability to find somebody who is a prospect. i think that is a considerable advantage and getting that -- if we could get to 40 million, 50, 60 million prospects and that will generate millions of dollars in donations to spend in advertising and gives you direct contact via phone or text message or email, it is a
considerable advantage that the other side won't have because you can't replace time. and the fact is when you build the army now, you only worry about activation and not trying to find them. >> first of all, that was not july of 2017. apologize. that was last month. what do you think about what he said in. >> well what brad is saying that i think is so critical and we saw it play out somewhat in 2016 for the trump campaign, they are expanding it now, not just using the small dollar donors and that is it, it is your organization. it is your grassroots or groundswell of support so to get them to donate in and to activate them to persuade friends to vote, that kind of a dedicated army of supporters is a huge advantage. >> because they are building not just donors but building people who could be volunteers, could be activists or all of the above. so before we go, let's talk about indiana mayor pete buttigieg. he admitted when he was in a
campaign event in new york last night that he doesn't have a very diverse crowd or any crowds who come to his events. he talked about that and then asked about it this morning on "new day." listen. >> i could talk until i'm blue in the face about how important that our campaign or base of supporters in the future administration reflect this country. we are very conscious and intense on building the most diverse possible base of supporters from every level, from the committee to the people who fill a room to help lift us up. >> i think we need to do better. as i've been on the trail, it depends on geography and we had a diverse crowd in nevada and less so in north carolina and one of the things you could achieve in south carolina is engage with african-american voters in particular. which represent such an important part of our party's coalition. >> this is so interesting. first of all, the fact that he's in the game enough that this is something that matters, who is
showing up and not if anybody is showing up. it is a big deal, right. >> yes. >> but it does matter. as he said, so spot on and in a spot-on way, places like south carolina that any candidate needs to win, you do need to tap into the african-american -- >> it is the democratic party nomination. you can't become the democratic party nominee if you do not have a significant support from non-white groups, specifically african-americans. and by the way, that video from him in brooklyn last night, that question came from a member of the crowd who said, look around here, should we be a little concerned that everyone here is white? pete buttigieg points out that south bend is 45% nonwhite. so he comes from a diverse city. but this is going to be a challenge for him. he's running against some african-american candidates and latino candidates and there is diversity in the field. he'll have to find a way to diversify the coalition. >> dave, good to talk to you. i could go for hours.
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he's an immigration reporter for the arizona republic and joins me now. thank you so much. walk us through what happened? how could it be that the husband of a u.s. soldier killed serving this country could be deported? >> well jose gonzalez carranza is in the country since a teenager and he's 30 years old and married to barbara back in 2007 and then she was killed in 2010. and last week he was on his way to his job, welding job in the suburb of phoenix and he was pulled over and he was surround by i.c.e. agents and he described them pointing guns at him and yanking him out of his car and handcuffing him and taking him to the phoenix immigration offices. and then just three days later he was deported to mexico where he hadn't been since he was a teenager. not sure if he would see his daughter again and worried this could further traumatize her.
he described this experience as being very traumatic, being arrested and deports to a country he hadn't been to since he was a teenager and trauma that added to the trauma that he experienced when his wife was killed back in 2010. >> sure. and was it clerical mistake? is that what happened here? is that right? >> well, my understanding is what happened is that he had an order of removal. and after his wife was killed, money immigration lawyer filed for what is called parole in place which allows you to remain in the united states to live and work here. you don't have legal status but you could stay here and little and work. and he had that and as a result of that, a judge terminated his removal proceedings but then i.c.e. went after him again and he was supposed to show up in court in december for a
deportation hearing. the notice was sent to the wrong address his lawyer said and as a result he didn't show up for his hearing and an order was -- of removal was issued, deportation order was issued in his absence. he said he didn't know about it and that is when i.c.e. showed up at his house last monday. >> absolutely heartbreaking, the fact that he obviously lost his wife and then their daughter was left alone. the good news they are reunited. daniel gonzalez, thank you so much for that reporting. appreciate that. and members of congress, congressional black caucus members specifically say that ilhan omar's life is in danger after the president's tweets and as the president attacks, what about his own fraught history when it comes to 9/11. that is next. plus new details on the race to save relics from the treasure room in the notre dame cathedral.
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with the much-anticipated redacted mueller report due out on thursday, a 30-year-old legal memo written by barr is raising questions about how he's redacting the special counsel report. ryan goodman a special counsel wrote on a legal website about the contentious legal summary that barr penned in 1989 while at the justice department. barr's 1989 memo concluded the fbi was allowed to take people
into custody in foreign countries without the consent of those governments in those countries. now the questionable ruling opened the way for the eventual arrest of manu eleanory egga but they discovered that the barr summary had redacted several important conclusions most notably to authorize the president to ignore international law. kerry cordero is here, a former counsel to national security and a cnn legal analyst. what do you make of that? what what-what does that tell us -- >> this piece by ryan goodman, the think the reason for putting it out is because it draws a parallel not on the substance of the legal memo in 1989 was about because that legal issue has nothing to do with the special counsel. >> it is what he -- >> but the fact that he had written a summary and he
testified before congress on it and ryan goodman argues that what he actually testified about and what he put in his summary left out some important conclusions that were in the olc or office of legal counsel memo. it is worth noting that olc memos are something administrations of both parties fight over congress about. and so this is a long-standing justice department desire to not provide those memos and congress, whenever party leading in congress and whatever administration is in the justice department, there are always tensions between releasing those memos. but goodman is drawing a parallel between the fact that bar did not release all of the conclusions at that time and what that might mean for this week's release. >> it is fascinating. i want to turn to a different issue that is taking a lot of time and getting a lot of attention. this week congress is in recess but still working on the house
on the oversight functions, in particular, investigators issued subpoenas to deutsche bank. one of the few banks that loaned money to donald trump during the days, a decade ago or so, when he was in massive debt and couldn't get other people to give him money. what does it tell you that they have gone so far as to issue subpoenas? >> well i think it is part -- i think it is not surprising given the change in leadership in the house and goes to the bigger set of investigations that their conducting that relate to whether or not there is foreign influence over the president and his companies financial dealings or whether or not there is potentially criminal activity that has not yet been revealed through any justice department or special counsel investigation. so i think it should be viewed in tandem with the other request from the house committee requesting the president's taxes, and then now house intelligence and house financial services are looking for this deutsche bank information. >> and what is interesting, with
regard to the president's taxes and other information the house democrats want from the president, this is to deutsche bank and they are saying they are talking to house investigators so pain they'll give some over. we'll see. kerry, thank you so much. and a new look inside of what is left of the notre dame cathedral. amazing photos. you see some there. video showing how devastating the fire was to the 850-year-old structure and how parts might need to be rebuilt. come taste what a salad should be. and with panera catering, there's more to go around. panera. food as it should be.
on capitol hill, the white house is rejecting a demand from two top house democrats to detail whether president trump improperly sought to block the at&t/time warner merger and this is the latest refusal by the white house to turn over records that democrats now in control of the house are asking the white house for. kerry, what is your reaction and i should also mention for the record that cnn is a part of a subsidiary of at&t. they are our parent company. >> i think this is part of the broader picture of oversight that the house is conducting. they're trying to understand whether there was improper influence over this merger decision. the white house is going to stick to its guns, it looks like, in saying these are communications between the president and his closest advisers and so they are going to assert a privilege that says that that information is not being provided over to congress. it is a traditional executive versus congressional debate
whether or not communications amongst his closest advisers note they are expanding that and it is not just related to communications between the president and his lawyers, but also they're taking a more broad view into the executive purpose -- >> do you have any executive privilege. >> congress could go to the courts and litigate this question over whether or not there is an interest in public receiving that information. i think they'd had a hard row to go -- road to go down in terms of a court ruling in their favor. but certainly this is say congress that is willing to serve this legal process and to continue to fight for information that they think fulfills their legitimate oversight responsibilities. >> kerry, thanks for coming back on with breaking news. appreciate it. don't go too far. you never know what will happen. >> president trump is putting the life of minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar at risk is what the congressional black caucus said as she said death threats against her have increased following a tweet from the president, he took an
excerpt from a speech the democrat made to the council on american/islamic relations and combined it with footage of the september 11th attacks adding the caption and in an interview with minnesota tv station kstp, the president doubled down on those comments. >> any second thoughts about that tweet and the way it was produced and put together? >> no. not at all. look she's been very disrespectful to this country and very disrespectful frankly to israel. she's somebody that doesn't really understand, i think, real life, what it is all about. it is unfortunate. she's got a way about her that is very, very bad, i think for our country. i think she's extremely unpatriotic and extremely disrespectful to our country. >> the house speaker nancy pelosi said she's talked with the sergeant at arms about omar's safety and in an interview just last hour with christiane amanpour, pelosi called out the president for
using that 9/11 imagery. >> i criticized the president for using film of -- a video of 9/11 as a political tool. i think he was wrong to do that. >> could you see that full interview on cnn.com. the whole controversy has brought renewed scrutiny to president trump's history with 9/11. we're going to get to that but first we want to re-set at the top of the hour. i'm dana bash. i'm in for brooke baldwin. just a day after that devastating fire ripped through its walls, notre dame has become a unifying symbol, in addition to an iconic one of course. more than $700 million have now been pledged to rebuild the paris cathedral. the floor inside now filled with the burned out beams of the church's roof, some of which date back to the 12th century. a heroic nine-hour effort by firefighters ensured much of notre dame interior was lost,
many of the priceless artifacts were not. remarkably and thankfully, no deaths have been reported. at least one expert said efforts to rebuild could take ten to 15 years. and moments ago french president emmanuel macron offers words of comfort to a nation in shock. >> reporter: it is a great deal to be rebuilt and we will make the cathedral of notre dame even more beautiful, i share your sorrow. and i also share your hope. >> cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson is in paris. and an investigation has been opened, a prosecutor said this is likely just an accident. but they don't have any idea yet, do they, exactly or even generally what started this? >> reporter: they don't. they are working on the assumption, yes, an accident.